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1:44 pm April 14, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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"Emotional skills cannot protect you from emotional pain."
I fall into this, I think. Often I would think that if I am practising emotional skills, that I should feel protected, good, always. Back to reality, then.
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1:40 pm April 9, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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Post edited 1:43 pm – April 9, 2012 by Milos Bulatovic
"Emotional myth #1: How you feel is a result of how you think. NOT TRUE!"
"It wouldn't matter if you are the most disciplined thinker in the world, you still must learn how to work with emotion in order to know how to create inner harmony."
This is one of those "the Earth is not flat, it's round" realizations. I consider myself to have discovered this roundness. I hold up positive thinking, but skills which enable you to work on the roots, where it all resides, are much more efficient.
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11:42 am April 7, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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I'm imagining a street kiosk with a sign saying "Wisdom – only 99.9!", "Discover your personal truth."
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12:01 pm March 13, 2012
| Chris Jorgensen
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I like that Milos. It does seem very rare to see wisdom offered in advertising.
Chris J
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10:21 am March 13, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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"Pure and simple, emotional skills lead to wisdom."
This would be a good marketing line. I rarely hear anyone mention wisdom in comercials of any kind.
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2:27 pm February 16, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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"…and try to blame you for what they do or feel, if you accept responsibility for any of these, you will be entering the unhealthy territory of codependence." -Stephen
Yeah, getting the blame can happen often enough, so I confusingly try to accept the responsibility that does not belong to me. Uh… Unhealthy territory it is.
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1:43 pm February 16, 2012
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… I end up feeling responsible for this person.
Great observation, Milosh! Most people confuse responsibility. There is only one "rule" you need to know about the rsponsibility in ANY relationship. You are responsible for your behavior, your emotions and your Personal Truth (or the sources of your emotion, before you know and claim your Personal Truth). You are not responsible for anyone else's behavior, emotions, or sources. Your behavior. Your emotions. Your sources. And that's all!
This is why it is so important to be able to identify emotions. This is how you know what is yours to claim repsponsibility for, and what the other person is responsible for, that you do not claim. Their behavior is theirs to claim. Their emotions is theirs to claim. The sources of their emotions are theirs to claim.
Even if they do not claim the responsibility that is theirs, and try to blame you for what they do or feel, if you accept responsibility for any of these, you will be entering the unhealthy territory of codependence.
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1:02 pm February 16, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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Well, Stephen,
it turns out that in some peculiar way, as in through a labirint with another person, I end up feeling responsible for this person. It's small stuff, but I know where small stuff leads to – the bigger stuff.
This is not just with one person that I notice. It is rather something in me, then in them. Also, people are sometimes "helpful" to reafirm these invisible set-ups.
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5:20 pm February 15, 2012
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Milos Bulatovic said:
"Taking responsibility for one's emotions is a lot like taking responsibility for one's body." -from ES facebook page
Responsibility for body is easy to understand. Everyone is responsible for his/her own. And that's clear.
It seems that when it comes to emotions, there's a whole lot of invisible rules that seem to apply.
What are some of the "invisible rules" that you have discovered, or suspect?
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2:57 am February 15, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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"Taking responsibility for one's emotions is a lot like taking responsibility for one's body." -from ES facebook page
Responsibility for body is easy to understand. Everyone is responsible for his/her own. And that's clear.
It seems that when it comes to emotions, there's a whole lot of invisible rules that seem to apply.
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8:30 am February 10, 2012
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Post edited 8:36 am – February 10, 2012 by Chris Jorgensen
Jason, you said "I've found that trying to "spare someone's feelings" is counterproductive." That is a great discovery. Trying to spare someone's feelings is taking responsibility for their emotional experience. We really don't have any control over what someone else may experience because their experience is created 100% within them. And trying to spare somenoe's feelings I think is always to try to control our own emotional experience of fear that they might get mad or distance or defend ultimately triggering our own experience of abandonment. So we are giving them responsibility for our experience. We are taking responsibility that is not ours, and giving responsibility that is ours. The biggest source of problems in a relationship is misplaced responsibility. You noted how difficult it is to communicate when this is happening. I want to give credit to Donna and Stephen BE for providing me with this lesson that I am sharing here.
"Be direct. Be honest. It's beneficial to all parties." Jason Berry. Thanks for the reminder!
Chris J
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1:17 am February 10, 2012
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One of the things I've become aware of in recent months is my tendency to beat around the bush when bringing up an issue with someone. My unconscious wants everything to come out perfectly, to not offend. I don't want my comment to be construed as a condemnation of the entire character of the person with whom I'm talking. The problem is, the watered-down version that comes out of my mouth does not communicate what I want to communicate. This often leads to frustration on the part of the receiever, and I also end up frustrated because my issue didn't get resolved.
I've found it helps to be "specific and unambiguous" in my communication. Instead of saying something like "I just don't feel very loved" you might say "I would like you to hold my hand when we're out in public because when you do that, I feel loved." This obviously requires deeper introspection, but if I can give the person I'm talking to specifics, they are more likely to hear what I'm trying to communicate. Instead of spending time trying to interpret it, they can then choose to either agree or not.
I've found that trying to "spare someone's feelings" is counterproductive. Be direct. Be honest. It's beneficial to all parties.
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5:52 pm January 28, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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Chris,
I have tried to learn the skills you mention and I can conclude that willingness to feel (feeling) is a crucial and not a small point in it all.
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12:10 pm January 23, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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Thanks for sharing, Chris.
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8:21 am January 19, 2012
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You are right Milosh,
In order for me to update I first have to use a skill set called the Path of Emotion that Stephen and Donna BE have developed. Identify my emotional experience, explore the experience toward discovering what unconscious imprints are associated with the emotions, testing those imprints for whether they are true for me, and BEHAVING in accordance to what IS true for me (update). It all starts with being willing to feel emotions, and it ends with living in a world that represents my conscious self rather than my unconscious. In my unconscious world I am guarded and threatened, I don't trust myself or others. In my conscious world I am secure, available, and there is a sense of internal harmony.
Chris J
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2:46 pm January 17, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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Chris, you said:
"When I update that I am not…"
This "update" part, I think there is more to be said about it as a part of the system.
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3:52 pm January 14, 2012
| Milos Bulatovic
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""The more I find out, the less that I know.""
Jason,
I relate, except I'd say "the more i know, the more there is to know."
"and if I can look back at the footprints in the sand and realize that I got to where I am one step at a time, I find that the feeling overwhelm abates."
Yeah, that's how journeys usually go – one step at a time…
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12:23 am January 11, 2012
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Chris,
Those seem like helpful daily reminders. I also like this recent post on the Emotion School Facebook page: "Every emotion is a brief momentary view into an area of your unconscious. If you take advantage of that moment, you can clearly see the imprints that create your emotion." For me, it helps put feelings into perspective. Every emotion is an opportunity to become more aware. So unpleasant feelings now can become change agents for future benefit. When I struggle with willingness, this is useful to remember.
Milosh,
I can relate to feeling overwhelmed. But I think, in the realm of emotions and personal growth, it's natural. More awareness means more stimuli to absorb. There's a saying–perhaps you've heard it: "The more you know, the more you know you need to know." I've also heard a verison of that in a song (full disclosure: I'm about to quote Billy Joel…): "The more I find out, the less that I know." That rings true for me. And sometimes that idea is overwhelming. But if I can look at the big picture, and see the growth resulting from greater awareness, and if I can look back at the footprints in the sand and realize that I got to where I am one step at a time, I find that the feeling overwhelm abates.
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8:21 am December 26, 2011
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Milosh, it is helpful to remember that everyone has their list. I am less prone to seeing myself as a loser when I remind myself of this.
Jason, I can relate to feeling like I want to have all the answers, and have all my ducks in a row all the time. Life just does not work like that tho'. I have spent the last 3 days trying to fix my broken truck, there have been 2 times when I have been convinced that I have it fixed only to find out it still doesn't work. I have had unconscious invitations to see myself as a bad mechanic, stupid, worthless, incapable. These are my invitations whether I am fixing a truck, relating in a relationship, or whatever. When I update that I am not stupid, worthless, and I am capable, it frees me up to be available to myself and others. I can explore what may be problematic behaviors whether they are my trucks behaviors or my own.
Here are a couple of quotes that I read daily, "If you are to achieve mastery in your life, you must learn to see your unconscious, and learn how to use it effectively" from Feeling Your Way Along. "Mastery does not mean 'perfect' it just means skillful enough to continue my truthful journey in any circumstance" from Stephen BE. For me, developing consciousness skills and practicing the use of them with guidance has provided purpose to my life, and is resulting in finding a different and much more preferable world to live in.
Chris J
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5:03 am December 26, 2011
| Milos Bulatovic
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Jason,
you sure have made a list there. Just going through it, I am feeling overwhelmed. But everybody has their list; I think it's better to be aware of it, then not.
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